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Discussion started on  03/20/2006 09:36:12 AM  by  Sixftblksenorita
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March 20, 2006

Plight Deepens for Black Men, Studies Warn

BALTIMORE — Black men in the United States face a far more dire situation than is portrayed by common employment and education statistics, a flurry of new scholarly studies warn, and it has worsened in recent years even as an economic boom and a welfare overhaul have brought gains to black women and other groups.

Focusing more closely than ever on the life patterns of young black men, the new studies, by experts at Columbia, Princeton, Harvard and other institutions, show that the huge pool of poorly educated black men are becoming ever more disconnected from the mainstream society, and to a far greater degree than comparable white or Hispanic men.

Especially in the country's inner cities, the studies show, finishing high school is the exception, legal work is scarcer than ever and prison is almost routine, with incarceration rates climbing for blacks even as urban crime rates have declined.

Although the problems afflicting poor black men have been known for decades, the new data paint a more extensive and sobering picture of the challenges they face.

"There's something very different happening with young black men, and it's something we can no longer ignore," said Ronald B. Mincy, professor of social work at Columbia University and editor of "Black Males Left Behind" (Urban Institute Press, 2006).

"Over the last two decades, the economy did great," Mr. Mincy said, "and low-skilled women, helped by public policy, latched onto it. But young black men were falling farther back."

Many of the new studies go beyond the traditional approaches to looking at the plight of black men, especially when it comes to determining the scope of joblessness. For example, official unemployment rates can be misleading because they do not include those not seeking work or incarcerated.

"If you look at the numbers, the 1990's was a bad decade for young black men, even though it had the best labor market in 30 years," said Harry J. Holzer, an economist at Georgetown University and co-author, with Peter Edelman and Paul Offner, of "Reconnecting Disadvantaged Young Men" (Urban Institute Press, 2006).

In response to the worsening situation for young black men, a growing number of programs are placing as much importance on teaching life skills — like parenting, conflict resolution and character building — as they are on teaching job skills.

These were among the recent findings:

¶The share of young black men without jobs has climbed relentlessly, with only a slight pause during the economic peak of the late 1990's. In 2000, 65 percent of black male high school dropouts in their 20's were jobless — that is, unable to find work, not seeking it or incarcerated. By 2004, the share had grown to 72 percent, compared with 34 percent of white and 19 percent of Hispanic dropouts. Even when high school graduates were included, half of black men in their 20's were jobless in 2004, up from 46 percent in 2000.

¶Incarceration rates climbed in the 1990's and reached historic highs in the past few years. In 1995, 16 percent of black men in their 20's who did not attend college were in jail or prison; by 2004, 21 percent were incarcerated. By their mid-30's, 6 in 10 black men who had dropped out of school had spent time in prison.

¶In the inner cities, more than half of all black men do not finish high school.

None of the litany of problems that young black men face was news to a group of men from the airless neighborhoods of Baltimore who recently described their experiences.

One of them, Curtis E. Brannon, told a story so commonplace it hardly bears notice here. He quit school in 10th grade to sell drugs, fathered four children with three mothers, and spent several stretches in jail for drug possession, parole violations and other crimes.

"I was with the street life, but now I feel like I've got to get myself together," Mr. Brannon said recently in the row-house flat he shares with his girlfriend and four children. "You get tired of incarceration."

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Man, those are some grim statistics.  Do you think it's time we put the black man in America on the endangered species list along with the pink speckled dace and the buff-headed marmoset?  Seems the black man can't take care of his business any more these days without a little protection and guidance from Auntie Sam.
They need some guidance from their PARENTS.  After that, they're on their own.

You know,

I'm glad this article came out. But as many brothers know, none of it is a surprise. The Times just broke it down into bite-size pieces. Really, if you travel, it's not a surprise anywhere in the world.

But the article seems to dance around something that I think should be in the lead paragraph: Black Men are in a cycle where we perpetuate our own suffering in a society that already hates us.

I'm not going to sit here and preach a sermon or cry a Greek tragedy for brothers, because there is a lot of good about us. For one thing, we are the most educated black men in U.S. history; secondly, we're the wealthiest black men in the world right now.

The true problem is we're the most powerless segment of western civilization. When it comes to manipulating society for our own ends, we're like a pianist with no fingers.

And we actually swallow this "good guy wins in the end" bullshit that white folks have been telling us for years. No, quite the opposite is true. It's all about the people who pull the strings.

That, my friends, has been the black man's downfall. Not drugs, not rap, not women, not whites, Jews, the police, nothing else has contributed more to our failures than a lack of understanding the Golden Rule: He Who Has The Gold Makes The Rules.

Attaining power is possible, but is is gained through two prime things -- time and focus.

I'm being vague, but feel free to discuss.

"Not knowing where I'm going is galaxies better than not having a place to go -- now I know..."

Prince

And we actually swallow this "good guy wins in the end" bullshit that white folks have been telling us for years

 

What white person ever said that?  Never heard it.   The only white person I recall speaking on the subject was a Hall of Fame baseball player named Leo Durocher.  He got it exactly right, in my opinion, when he said,

 

                         "Nice guys finish last."

 

Are you sure "good guy wins in the end" wasn't spoken by some delusional black preacher driving a caddy?

Edited by sicklesellsam on March 20, 2006 01:53:25 PM

"What white person ever said that?  Never heard it."

Ummm, have you ever read any western literature at all? Saw a film? Seen a play?

The protagonist/antagonist structure has been the fuel of pop culture in western civilization for centuries. From bedtime stories to "Star Trek" it always drove home the point that the honest, just hero always won -- and the origins were always Eurocentric (and please don't drop the Bible into it, because that book is full of good guys who wound up in a tight squeeze).

But you're missing my whole point. What I'm saying, and please read closely, is that we have actually believed in this hero winding up on top thing, which was a terrible thing to follow. What we should have focused on was the man who has the power and learned how he gets it and uses it?

Do you understand me now?

"Not knowing where I'm going is galaxies better than not having a place to go -- now I know..."

Prince

I don't know this.  What I do know is that Black PEOPLE are in danger - brothers and sistahs.  I do not trust anything that tries to divide the issue.

 

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Both sides of an issue do not have to be considered if one side is completely stupid.

The truth is but one point, it is the ignorant that multiplies it.
Dr. Joy Leary

If you stick a knife in my back ten inches and pull it out five, thats not progress. Progress is when you pull the knife out and allow the wound to heal. They wont even admit the knife is there.
Malcolm X

It's like when you have coffee and it's too Black, it's too strong. So you have to add milk to it. You add enough milk you completely weaken it. If you add too much milk you won't even know you had coffee anymore.

Malcolm X




What we should have focused on was the man who has the power and learned how he gets it and uses it?

Excellent point.

 

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Both sides of an issue do not have to be considered if one side is completely stupid.

The truth is but one point, it is the ignorant that multiplies it.
Dr. Joy Leary

If you stick a knife in my back ten inches and pull it out five, thats not progress. Progress is when you pull the knife out and allow the wound to heal. They wont even admit the knife is there.
Malcolm X

It's like when you have coffee and it's too Black, it's too strong. So you have to add milk to it. You add enough milk you completely weaken it. If you add too much milk you won't even know you had coffee anymore.

Malcolm X




the woman who started the thread is on record here for showing love for white men & claiming gay men are better than straight ones.

Black Men are in a cycle where we perpetuate our own suffering in a society that already hates us.

Great point...

 

            

Love is to strong a word to say it to early, but it has to beautiful a meaning to say it to late.”
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Kurt Cornish

 

Email me @: sixftblksenorita@hotmail.com



 

And we actually swallow this "good guy wins in the end" bullshit that white folks have been telling us for years. No, quite the opposite is true. It's all about the people who pull the strings.

Could you elaborate?

            

Love is to strong a word to say it to early, but it has to beautiful a meaning to say it to late.”
-------
Kurt Cornish

 

Email me @: sixftblksenorita@hotmail.com



 

Black men need what they take from their own children.  The relationship, love and closeness with their fathers.  Vicious cycle.

            

Love is to strong a word to say it to early, but it has to beautiful a meaning to say it to late.”
-------
Kurt Cornish

 

Email me @: sixftblksenorita@hotmail.com



 

Black men need what they take from their own children.  The relationship, love and closeness with their fathers.  Vicious cycle.

hmmmm...might that come from the

"I dont need a man" syndrome?

Abortion is advocated only by persons who have themselves been born.
-Ronald Reagan


"The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy."

Martin Luther King Jr. (1929 - 1968), Strength to Love, 1963

 

hmmmm might that come from the I had an OOW child with a WW yet black women are the only ones capable of doing such things?

            

Love is to strong a word to say it to early, but it has to beautiful a meaning to say it to late.”
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Kurt Cornish

 

Email me @: sixftblksenorita@hotmail.com



 

Oh i c, its about getting around the question, right....its always appropriate when their is no answer...ya know?

Abortion is advocated only by persons who have themselves been born.
-Ronald Reagan


"The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy."

Martin Luther King Jr. (1929 - 1968), Strength to Love, 1963

 

They are taking all of our pligth deepend men. LOL

I don't debate with you... because quite frankly, I think you are an ass.

            

Love is to strong a word to say it to early, but it has to beautiful a meaning to say it to late.”
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Kurt Cornish

 

Email me @: sixftblksenorita@hotmail.com



 

This is sad because it requires BM to take responsibility for their lives and to do what needs to be done in order to succeed.  If that means not having OOW children, if that means not looking for a BW to financially support him, if that means that he takes responsibility for himself and works at a job everyday, owns his own car and home and furthers his education at night, if that  means that he doesn't hang out with his friends that have no goals but instead he works toward his own goals and surrounds himself with positive people and doesn't dress like a thug or make having a prison record his main goal then maybe some BM will improve their situation in life.    But alot of BM aren't doing this and having OOW children is passing the cycle of poverty from one generation to another.  It's a shame.

And we actually swallow this "good guy wins in the end" bullshit that white folks have been telling us for years. No, quite the opposite is true. It's all about the people who pull the strings.

Could you elaborate?

Well okay,

What I mean by that statement is that we live in a society where we have an "us" vs. "them" mentality. It permeates much of our general popular culture. Our bedtime stories have always talked about protagonists and antagonists. Even the religion and arts we embrace (even when the hero is an anti-hero like Tony Montana), all have this "good guy/bad guy" premise.

All of this has a psychological effect because it allows the thinking that the good guy winds up holding the strings, when in actuality this world is full of Machiavellian types who ruthlessly gain power. In fact, that is the true history of civilization.

Are you following me so far?

Everybody sees himself as the good guy and eventually thinks he or she did the right thing, or at least got some gratification, and should be in a gainful situation. But that hinders the focus on responsibility for one's actions, situation and station. You feel me?

So in short, too many brothers go about their lives thinking they are doing the right thing, or getting away with something, when their choices lead them to disempowerment. The way we are socialized has a lot to do with that.

The fact of the matter is, many of those families, nations and institutions in this world became powerful because they were calculating and ruthless, and excellent long-term planners -- all of which was a means to an end.

Now am I saying we should all be freaking Rasputin? No, but if we're going to be criminals, we should be good at it. The good crooks are the ones who never got caught, like Joe Kennedy.

We might have voted a variety of Democrats into Congress, but did we fund their campaigns, so that they would actually be obligated to us as constituents?

So really, all I am saying is that black people should stop believing in angels and messiahs who will sweep us to the "promised land." There is no such place. Just because we've been dragged through the mud does not mean we are God's "chosen people." In fact, Jews don't even believe that, which is why they took Israel instead of waiting for it to come to them.

Learning how to manipulate and exploit what we have and using resources to our own end will be our saviour.

We can learn this lesson, or not.

"Not knowing where I'm going is galaxies better than not having a place to go -- now I know..."

Prince

Edited by Joskilove on March 21, 2006 01:15:57 PM
Black men need what they take from their own children.  The relationship, love and closeness with their fathers.  Vicious cycle.

hmmmm...might that come from the

"I dont need a man" syndrome?
In the black community, men are let off the hook and women make bad choices.  Until we decide to delay child bearing ( on both sides) and until we decide that marriage is significant, and education crucial, we will see these sad patterns repeated over and over with each generation.  There is a formula for success, for some reason , black people refuse to follow it. 
Why did you opt to have a child out of wedlock?  Was marriage never an option?  I ask because certain behaviors seem to permeate throughout even when education level , social class and interracial  variables  change.  I would really love to hear from black men about their choices and why they made them.     

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