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Why do you think we don't have any? I believe this is a question with almost limitless answers. When I say mall I mean a place with two/three dozen stores/boutiques--not the six/seven store shopping center. When Rev. Johnnie Coleman built her new church on the edge of Chicago several years ago, the church bought enough land to build a small shopping center and a senior citizens residential facility. Personally, it's hard to understand why there is no Black -owned mall because we certainly shop. In metro Detroit there is a mall where young brothers and sisters are the main customers--another mall is in a city that attempted to close its parks to non-residents (which most folk read as Black folk from Detroit), but our people flock to the mall there. I guess our shopping dollars know no political bounds. We know that urban renewal made sure that most cities still have acres and acres of vacant land. One would think it wouldn't be difficult to assemble 20 acres for a mall. Your thoughts??
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Why do you think we don't have any? I was told the Baldwin Hills- Crenshaw Plaza in LA shopping mall was mostly owned by Magic Johnson??, used to go there when I lived in LA nice place. When Rev. Johnnie Coleman built her new church on the edge of Chicago several years ago, the church bought enough land to build a small shopping center and a senior citizens residential facility. In College park GA Creflo Dollar accually bought an abandoned shopping mall to extend his world changes church - the place has a gold dome!!! Your thoughts?? Just a venture we haven't tackled yet, but soon there will be some black-owned malls that cater to blacks and others. |
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The incentive must come from local Black leadership. It's always a church (Philadelphia has two in North Philly). The Reverend Leon Sullivan established one near Temple University and another was established at the former Connie Mack baseball stadium. Why is there a lack of participation by pols and the local "Black Chamber of Commerce"?
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ues it is - the same kind of stores that are normally in malls, there is 2 big stores on either end of the mall - jc penny closed because originally the mall was closing but now they have a big furniture store there, macy's is still there , the food corp. they even have the county dmv inside as well.
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The Reverend Leon Sullivan established one near Temple University and another was established at the former Connie Mack baseball stadium. while these two shopping centers are still thriving after some thirty and twenty years later, they are closer to strip malls and not what i believe your idea of a mall is. having said that, to answer your question in general is two parts. first it is my opinion that there is are a shortage of developers with the kinds of resources necessary to acquire the acres of land and sucessfully navigate the zoning requirements, county comissioners and related red tape that would be necessary to build a large shopping mall. second would be that fact that most blacks propbably don't have realize that owning a mall doesn't mean it has to be in the hood. most who have thought of owning a mall have probably restricted their thinking to something that serves the african american community. getting the space available along with dealing with some of the other details i previously mentioned is far more difficult to do in within the city limits and probably would take a developer with just as many connections in state and local government as money in his bank account. |
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mym, i think when you look at the economy in most parts of the country, anyone proposing to develop a decent size mall (minimum $50 MILLION) would a warm welcome at any part of government. Besides, brownfield regs will help developers get some tax credits for developing on certain sites. Think of any location that once housed a major factory in a town--that's perfect
There are hundreds of former Black country and state elected officials who are available (of course for a fee) to circumnavigate the approval process. |
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You wrote: Personally, it's hard to understand why there is no Black -owned mall because we certainly shop. It is much needed! We do shop, and we spend excessive amounts of money... and you know where it goes. Recently, two malls in very different parts of Virginia have set laws in place that require any young people (under 18) to be accompanied by a parent if they are in the mall at any time between 6 p.m. Friday and 6 p.m. Sunday... and they are especially targeting Black youths. I don't question the reason... The young people tend to just "hang out" and some have really become unruly. Consequently, the white people especially are afraid of them (beyond their normal apprehension... You know...white women grabbing hold of their purses and walking out without spending any money). However, I refuse to allow my kids to go to those malls because I don't want them to spend their money or mine in malls where they are not welcome. I would gladly spend money, and encourage my children to spend money in Black-owned and operated shops and malls, and I know many other Black professionals who feel the same way. It would be a pleasure to have the option. Peace. |
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1 REASON IS THAT WE LACK PRODUCTION. IF WE WERE TO OPEN MALLS WE STILL WOULD BE GIVING OUR MONEY TO "THE MAN" WE WOULD ONLY MAKE MONEY OFF OF RENTING THE SPACES TO LARGE BUISNESS LIKE MACY'S JC PENNYS,EXPRESS AND ECT. FIRST AND FOREMOST WE NEED TO START PRODUCING OUR OWN PRODUCTS. THEN WE CAN TRULLY BECOME SELF SUPPORTING. AND IT IS VERY EXPENSIVE TO BUILD AND MAINTAIN PROPERTY. WHAT WE NEED TO BE BUILDING IS OFFICE BUILDINGS AND HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS. SCHOOLS YOUTH CENTERS LIBRARIES AND OTHER PROGRESSIVE THINGS THAT CAN PROVIDE JOBS FOR OUR PEOPLE. NOT SHOPPING MALLS. UNLESS WE PRODUCE ENOUGH PRODUCTS TO FILL THE SPACE. |
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Lemme see if I can help with this...As the DEVELOPER of a mall, the company receives EVERY tenant's rent. Some is put back into the mall for upkeep, some is distributed among shareholders if there are any and the balance is put into the cofferes of the development company. Month after month--year after year--the company that developed the mall gets this income. How many people do you guess it takes to BUILD a mall?? And how many folk are employed once the stores open?? |
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I just love your threads. Just needed to say that although I may or may not agree with everything you say.
On topic: some commenters have pointed out a few black-owned malls. But you are correct; for the amount that we shop, we should own at least 10-20% of the malls in the country! What do you think needs to be done to increase black ownership of these larger enterprises? |
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while these two shopping centers are still thriving after some thirty and twenty years later, they are closer to strip malls and not what i believe your idea of a mall is. You answered my own questions as to whether they were malls or strip malls. The kind of mall we're talking about would be something like the Gallery. The development on Girard Avenue, Heritage something... the woman in charge lacked experience to complete it. She was connected to the mayor and was able to acquire funding as a result of that. I wonder if fear a reason for there not being too many Black developers. |
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Most large malls are owned by investment groups. And a lot of the groups have black investors, making these malls partially black owned. My little brother and sister in law are apart of one of these investment groups. I have brought this exact topic up to my bro, his answer was to the point, it doesn't make good economic sense "for him". Sorry I didn't push him to expand on his answer. I took him to mean it was to risky a venture. |
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I just love your threads. Just needed to say that although I may or may not agree with everything you say. thanx much Black--I truly appreciate your words. My ideas is to develop a formula that shows an athlete the kind of rate of return he will receive if he is willing to invest at least $2 million w/ NO return on his investment the first year. I can see this idea "regionalized" There are what four NBA teams in CA and three pro football teams?? I may be off one or two but the theory is to have 15-20 players invest in one southern CA site as the developers of a mall--replicate that with another 15-20 players, maybe 25 for a mall project in Northern CA. These guys understand shopping, malls and all of the goodies within. Then that story needs to be promoted like all get out and that will encourage the four Chicago teams (bears, bulls, sox and cubs) to pool $30-$50 million together for a project there. And then NY and so on and so. Each region could start with its own management co, and eventually they could gel into a national management co. handling all of the players' malls. It would be great too if any one of the four, or is it five, Baptist conventions would launch a capital campaign to raise $50 million for the sole purpose of building a mall. |
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