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I was running late and couldn't make it to the Debate Watch Party I had planned to attend, so I'd like to know what others thought of the debate. I guess I should add that I didn't see a clear winner. I wonder if many people will notice that McCain seemed to be trying to control his temper quite often. He didn't seem to be able to even look at Obama. Maybe he hasn't mastered the ability to look someone in the face and lie to them. Edited by PJChicago on September 26, 2008 10:54:42 PM
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I agree with the polls . . .
Poll Results Suggest More Uncommitted Voters Saw Obama As Debate Winner
UPDATED WITH FINAL NUMBERS CBS News and Knowledge Networks conducted a nationally representative poll of approximately 500 uncommitted voters reacting to the debate in the minutes after it happened.
Thirty-nine percent of uncommitted voters who watched the debate tonight thought Barack Obama was the winner. Twenty-four percent thought John McCain won. Thirty-seven percent saw it as a draw. Forty-six percent of uncommitted voters said their opinion of Obama got better tonight. Thirty-two percent said their opinion of McCain got better. Sixty-six percent of uncommitted voters think Obama would make the right decisions about the economy. Forty-two percent think McCain would. Forty-eight percent of these voters think Obama would make the right decisions about Iraq. Fifty-six percent think McCain would. We will have a full report on the poll later on. Uncommitted voters are those who don't yet know who they will vote for, or who have chosen a candidate but may still change their minds. The margin of sampling error could be plus or minus 4 percentage points for results based on the entire sample. |
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I think the person who won come from an individual perspective. I think Obama came out of this debate better off than he went in. I can't say he really won or lost the debate actual debate. But he did what he had to do to stay ahead in the campaign. McCain purported himself better than I thought he would. But not to the point where he changed the election. A draw is a win for the person came in ahead which was Obama. |
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A draw is a win for the person came in ahead which was Obama. I agree. Now that I've seen some of the reactions on TV, it seems that Obama may have picked up some of the undecided voters. If that's true, he is definitely the winner of this debate. Another point, he may have lost a few supporters because of his condescending attitude. Note: I was referring to McCain's condescending attitude, not Obama. I believe Obama was quite gracious and, as always, classy. Sorry for any confusion. Edited by PJChicago on September 27, 2008 03:01:54 AM
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Also preliminary CNN polling has Obama ahead 46% to 43% among white men and ahead 59% to 34% among white women and ahead 48% to 40% among seniors over McCain in this debate.
I personally think the overall context of the debate was pretty much a draw. But I'd give an aesthetic advantage to Obama for how he presentated facts, his memorable lines ("You were wrong") and his presidential posture. But I also feel that he missed a couple of opportunities to really slam McCain on the economy and his energy and veteran rights voting records. I think that Barack took a calculated opportunity to feel McCain out moreso than directly attack him on the issues... since he, unlike McCain, could afford to take that chance in this "1st" debate.
But McCain's contempt for Obama was obvious. The fact that he NEVER even looked at him or spoke directly to him shows his absolute contempt and disrespect for a man who quite possibly, will end his "presidential dreams" forever.
If every public poll indicates that Obama won the debate... then he won the debate. Because it's the collective opinion of the voters that really matter. So if I were McCain, I'd be SERIOUSLY worried about debate #2 and even more worried about debate #3 now that Obama has "sized him up". That is, if McCain lets the debates ever get that far.
"When we blindly adopt a religion, a political system, a literary dogma, we become automatons. We cease to grow." Edited by nsyteflyte on September 27, 2008 01:49:10 AM
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I'm pretty sure she meant "he" is "McCain's" condescending attitude. Because to say that about Obama wouldn't make sense.
It's late....
"When we blindly adopt a religion, a political system, a literary dogma, we become automatons. We cease to grow." Edited by nsyteflyte on September 27, 2008 02:46:54 AM
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I also thought Obama could've mentioned something like "gee, John, glad you changed your mind about not leaving D.C. until there was a deal and decided to join us tonight". That whole thing was just a ploy to lower expectations of Mccain's debate performance. He figured if he did better than people THOUGHT he would, he might be considered the winner. Edited by JesterX on September 27, 2008 08:48:46 AM
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Obama is the winner from all reports this morning and that's what I feel as well.. I don't know who thinks McCain won, but he didn't and it wasn't a tie either.. He (McStupid) didn't do bad, but what he did do didn't help him.. All focus groups that were undecided and watched the debates DID change more views towards Obama. And most of it had to do with the demeanor of both candidates.. All reports felt, (and these are not professionals), but voter's felt that McCain was mean, and frustrated and could not look Obama in the eye. His constant attacks didn't help him, it hurt him to come off as a mean person..
Obama was cool calm and collective and it helped him greatly, his confidence was a great factor as well.. The fact that he gave the appearance of a leader was represented by his demeanor. This weighed greatly more than what they said, b/c people want someone they can identify with, someone that's a controlled person under stress, and Obama was representing that.. and they felt they could identify with Obama regardless to their previous opinion that he was less experienced. His demeanor and confidence changed their opinion, they were impressed by that and its important. They had some body language experts on this morning that said pretty much the same thing regarding McCain coming off as mean and that he appeared to have great distain for Obama, that he would never make eye contact with him. His posture was irritated with Obama, and it didn't sit well with most people. We forget the average voter is a real everyday person they don't like the mean stuff in politics, that's why Obama should just continue to do him. Plus if he changed white folks feel threaten by most black people that would do him great harm..
On the point of McCain's experience, it just confirmed what Obama has said b/c most people thought the fact that he didn't refer to his future plans as Obama Did, they did not see change in him.. they didn't take his experience that much into consideration b/c they want change, and he didn't give change b/c he was in the past so the experience didn't weigh that heavy. Meaning he is out of touch. B/c of Obama's confidence his eloquence in his delivery of his vision improved his overall opinion in the eyes of voter's they saw him on another level.. it was much more refreshing to uncommitted voters b/c they felt he cared more about them, he spoke more about the middleclass, and children and education, which McCain never once mentioned, that's what is important to them b/c he laid out his plan and McCain didn't, just kept talking about what he used to do. When it came to McCain, those same voters said he "didn’t control himself well under pressure," that he was "angry and bad-tempered," and that he "talked too much about the past." Now watch now that this has come out he'll look like he's in pain trying to force a grin..
So some can believe the hype or fall for the experience of McCain and think that it helped him, it didn't... Even tho I can't say he did bad, or as its being said it wasn't a knock out.. but the fact is Obama shocked most by being a hell of lot more knowledgable about the issues then they thought he was, (which impressed most undecided voters), and that fact alone angered McCain and people could tell it.. As for Obama not being a attack dog, No but he did show he ain't no punk and showed the right amount of balance that makes him the winner by all the polls this morning b/c that's what he is, a winner...he just got boosted b/c he handled himself with class, he stood confident in the issues, and his represetation showed HE'S ABOUT CHANGE, and McCain is in the past.. the Grade of the debate was Obama A- and McCain a B.
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That whole thing was just a ploy to lower expectations of Mccain's debate performance.
I wouldn't doubt that. Because frankly, I think everything the McCain camp does is a "ploy"; because their entire campaign is "ploy based". I'm almost ready to start a virtual pool as to what date will the McCain Camp will try their the next psych scam. Because THIS is a VERY telling poll... FLEMINGTON, N.J., Sept. 27 (UPI) -- Independent voters taking part in a unique poll conducted by cell phone declared Barack Obama the winner of Friday's U.S. presidential debate. HCD Research of New Jersey and the Muhlenberg College Institute of Public Opinion conducted a survey in which text messages were sent out during the debate asking participants to give their responses on specific issues as the two candidates discussed them. While Republicans and Democrats voted along party lines, 61.1 percent of independents saw Obama winning the contest compared to 38.9 percent for McCain. Obama swept the opinions among independents on specific issues, including the economy, Iraq and relations with Iran and Russia.
So let's see... Palin's debate w/Biden is Thurs., Oct. 2 and the 2nd Presidential Debate is on Oct. 7th... so I'd say the next diversional ploy will come from the McCain camp on Oct. 4th... or Sept. 30th... whichever comes 1st. LOL!!
"When we blindly adopt a religion, a political system, a literary dogma, we become automatons. We cease to grow." Edited by nsyteflyte on September 27, 2008 09:48:33 AM
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Thank you for helping me to see the debate through other people's eyes. I hadn't considered the fact that there are people who only know Obama and McCain through what the MSM (and emails) have said about them. I already knew that Obama was intelligent, charismatic, knowledgeable, classy and confident. I also knew that McCain was an egotistical, belligerent, unprincipled, unstable, opportunistic, dim witted, misogynist who thinks everyone is stupid except him. For those who only know of Obama by what is said in the media, they may not have realized what an extraordinary man he is. They also may not have learned how inept McCain is. If I didn't know much about either candidate, I would probably have said Obama won hands down because he displayed a thorough knowledge (and understanding) of foreign and domestic policy while McCain displayed his immaturity and complete lack of common courtesy. I already had high expectations for Obama, so his stellar performance didn't surprise me. He merely did what I expected him to do. Based on what I've learned about McCain, I didn't expect much from him, so I gave him points for knowing how to answer anything at all without having Lieberman there for feed him the correct responses.
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Chuckling... you've got to be the same sick as-ss Bawreck-o-nut asss licking chick from Chicago that has posted a lot of stupid funnnked up stuff to my post. Now time is closer to what I post. OBAMABAD4USA Bring it on! The world is ready for ya'll idiots. What makes you think that you are looking thru all other people eyses to see that your thug as-sss f#gg won the debate? Is this to say that everbody in the g-d damb world see it this way? You are one dumb dump splash in the tiolet water. Laughing. I say Butt Face as-sshole Obomber didn't win the debate! But you got you head so far up Bawrecks as-sss that you can't properly take care of your own! You are one of too many sick as*sshole Bawreck-0-nuts that needs to be taught a good lesson. And your lesson is near, chuckling. How about Nov 4th 2008? You dumb as^sss! Busting out laughing. Bawreck and Bawreck-o- idiots time is over. Chuckling.
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Bring it on! The world is ready for ya'll idiots.
The world seems to like Obama now if Mccain gets in then the world will definitely think we are some idiots and Russia and China will be in full attack mode. Mccain ain't scaring nobody but he can try to f43$% with Russia if he wants to and if he thinks the Europeans are going to back America's broke a$% he and you are sadly mistaken. |
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I'm sorry that you don't have the ability or desire to carry on an informed, civil, and logical political discussion. Perhaps that it why you are a McCain supporter. Birds of a feather, flock together. Like your candidate, when you have nothing of substance to say, you revert to name calling and negativity. I hope you made yourself feel better by lashing out at me with your profane tantrum. You obviously needed to release your pent up frustrations over the demise of your candidate's chances to win in November. However, like my candidate, I am intelligent and I have too much class to follow you into the gutter.
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A new USA TODAY/Gallup Poll shows 46% of people who watched Friday night's presidential debate say Democrat Barack Obama did a better job than Republican John McCain; 34% said McCain did better. Obama scored even better -- 52%-35% -- when debate-watchers were asked which candidate offered the best proposals for change to solve the country’s problems. More than six in 10 people or 63% in the one-day poll, taken Saturday, said they watched the first faceoff in Oxford, Miss. For those 701 people, the margin of error was +/- 4 percentage points. The poll suggested the debate was to some extent a wash for McCain: 21% of those who watched say it gave them a more favorable view of him, 21% say less favorable and 56% say it didn't change their opinion much. Three in 10 said their opinion of Obama became more favorable after seeing the debate, compared to 14% who said less favorable and 54% who said it didn't make much difference. More than one-third of viewers, or 37%, said they had less confidence in McCain to fix economic problems after seeing the debate; 23% said more. For Obama, the survey results were 34% more confidence, 26% less. Neither candidate broke away on national security and foreign policy. About a third of viewers said they had more confidence in each man on that front after the debate, and slightly less in each case said they had less confidence. Obama held a 5-percentage-point lead over McCain, 49%-45%, in the Gallup tracking poll taken Wednesday through Friday. Tomorrow's poll will be the first to include impact from the debate. http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2008/09/usatgallup-poll.html |
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