A lot of people are currently upset or very disappointed with the black community at the moment, with regards to the overwhelming 75% who voted to discriminate against another minority group in spite of past experience with oppression, racisim, hate crimes  and discrimination.

The GLBT community was highly supportive of an Obama presidency and is wondering why no support was given back to the marriage equality  cause.

Just wondering how everyone feels about this and why do you think 75% of our community voted against such a basic right for all.

In response to your post I would like to say this:

1.  You have misconceptions about what homosexulatity is and are confusing homosexuality with pedophilia and hebephilia.  To clarify:

Homosexuality is the sexual attraction of an adult to another adult of the same sex.

Pedophilia is the sexual attraction of an adult to a pre-pubescent child of any sex.

Hebephilia is the sexual attraction of an adult to a post-pubescent child of any sex, usually above age 13.

2.  You have misconceptions of gender identity and sexual identity.  You cannot change someone's sexual or gender identity.  Children know what gender and sexual identity they have at an early age.  Several medical cases over the last few decades have proven that sufficiently when doctors helped deliver children with ambiguous sex and sought to pick a gender for that child, usually with disasterous results.  Sexual and gender identity is assigned before birth. 

There are children born with sexual deformaties.  Will you now require them to bring medical proof of their gender in order to prove they are the opposite sex of their potential spouse? 

3.  There are already clear laws on the books regarding the age of consent within each state of the union.  Most have it set to 16 and above.  Any adult, straight or not, that has sexual relations with any individual under the age of consent would be considered a Pedophile or Hebephile.  We are not having a discussion on either of those issues but instead on whether consenting adults should be denied basic rights that are provided to other consenting adults of a different sexual orientation or gender identity.

4.  There are heterosexual couples who are sterile.  If you stick to your convictions and believe that marriage is for the procreation of children only and that anyone who cannot procreate must not be given the right to marry,  would you be adverse to a sterility test for heterosexual couples in order to ensure the procreation of potential children?

You say that the same gender cannot create a family without the help of the opposite sex.  I would hope that you would clarify this to the same gender cannot create a child without the help of the opposite sex.  In order to support this theory you may very well begin to infringe on the rights of single fathers and mothers.  Do you propose that they be forced to marry in order to provide a complete family unit?  What about sterile women who have to be artificially inseminated in order to achieve pregnancy?  By limiting adoption, foster care and quite possibly egg/sperm donations to legally married couples only you infringe on the rights of unmarried heterosexuals also.

5.  There are clear laws on the books that do not allow any discussions regarding sexuality or marriage without parental consent.  To say that the teaching of homosexuality will be rampant in public schools is an fallicy.  Every parent here knows of the day when their child comes home with a permission slip giving the school authorization for Sexual Education.  If a parent here cannot say that then their child has not reached that grade yet or the parent is not very active in their child's education.

6.  You say homosexuality and bi-sexuality cannot be compared to the Negro race but there are many "negros" as you call us who are homosexual and bi-sexual.  Homosexual and bi-sexual negros were being hosed right alongside heterosexual negros.  Homosexual and bi-sexual negros were being lynched, shot, tortured and murdered right alongside heterosexual negros.  Homosexual and bi-sexual negros were sold as slaves right alongside heterosexual negros.  To cull them out now and say that yes, you are black just as I am; yes you fought alongside me as my brother/sister against our oppressors but you must stay in the shadows without the rights and dreams of heterosexuals? That is an injustice to the vision of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. himself.

7.  You also say "If I am to give rights to your group".  How can you be human and restrict the rights of others?  How can you stand up and march and demand your rights but deny the rights of others?  We as humans all have rights and the very act of providing rights to one group, while stripping it away from another is repression, and discrimination.  You may not have been a white person during slavery who believed that blacks had no right to marriage but you are a black person today denying another demographic the same right.  It still makes you a bigot.

Is this is what we have fought these long years to become?  Over 143 years of hardship and fear to become the perputrator of injustices against another?  To become the single entity we fought against?  Then Dr. Martin Luther Kind Jr.'s dream of equality for all has not yet been realized. 

There are establishments that will not serve gays, there are towns that throw you out if you are gay, there are towns that kill you if you are gay.  You actually believe Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was not encompassing the GLBT community when he said "I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal.""?  Why would Dr. King ask an openly gay Raynard Bustin to organize the Montgomery Bus Boycott?  Dr. King fought for the equality of all; not just negros.  Latinos, GLBTs, Asians and all oppressed groups.

Who do you think overwhelmingly supported Pres. elect Barack Obama?

To clarify what "my group" is as you so succinctly put it; I am a straight black female with 5 kids and I will not allow my children to grow up in a world where simply walking down the street in a pink shirt would get one of my sons killed.  I do not know if one of my children may be gay, straight or bi but I refuse to stay quiet.  I refuse to sit down.  I will not stand back.  I will defend the rights all of my children should have.

BTW Statistics show that most rapists and pedophiles are straight men.

Ok.

1.  Most GLBTs are not anti-christian but simply cannot understand why most heterosexual Christians will pick and choose passages out of the bible to perpetuate discrimination without quoting the entire gospel or disqualify certain gospels entirely.  I am sure GLBTs would love to attend a church without fear of discrimination if heterosexuals would simply allow them access.

2.  As you have stated "If it is so normal for same sex to be married then why cant they procreate and have a family like the traditional male female marriage because it’s not possible without some type of intervention. The child or children involve will never share the same genes as the one they’re married to." 

Heterosexual couples also have problems with procreation and have to turn to outside help such as surrogates, egg/sperm donors and IVF in order to have children.  If it is so normal for heterosexuals to be married then why do some couples face infertility challenges and cannot have a family without intervention?  The child or children in this relationship will never share the same genes as the one they're married to either.  Should they not be allowed to marry either?  So your statement is contradictory.

3.  Are you saying that because only 10% of the population is gay, the other 90% will cease to procreate and the entire human race will become extinct?  I doubt all of us will stop having sex.  I also don't understand the belief that women with children in excess of 4 or 5 are doing a disservice to humanity but that is another conversation.

4.  The medical community has decades of medical cases if you wish to view some relating to gender,  ambiguous sexuality and the now defunct gender reassignment of infants.  Yes, there are hermaprodites, intersexed, genital deformalities, hormone imbalances that occur with a percentage of the population.  By your post you have affirmed that these occurances are normal and have identified these individuals as being human like yourself.  

Your sweeping denial of GLBT rights though  affects this percentage of the population (and single heterosexuals) as well.  You are essentially saying that someone who is born but has absolutely no control over their sexuality should be denied their basic right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.  Why?  From your post, their existence is a sin.

5.  Most black men are not gay because they have single mothers.  If this is your theory then are you insinuating that Pres. Elect Barack Obama is gay.  Are you insinuating that Kanye West is gay?  Is 50 Cent gay?  Is Sean Combs gay?  Are you saying that single mothers are lesbians and corrupting these innocent children who then become gay men?  Or are you saying that all women cannot be effective parents?  Sorry but that statement makes no sense.

6.  I am glad that you made the statement the "God does not make mistakes" but I wonder why you keep questioning him, judging his children and denying them everything he has provided them.  Rights. 

When you can provide an arguement that cannot be counter-argued as to why heterosexuals should be the sole beneficiaries of basic human rights, I will be willing to settle my case with this issue.  Until then I will continue to challenge your beliefs.

Actually, I was not the individual who brought up abnormalities, deformaties and hormone imbalances that naturally occur in nature.  You did.  All I did was affirm that you were correct by stating that it, sexual orientation, is normal. 

I don't see what difference there is with the black struggle and GLBT issues as there were black GLBT slaves before the Emancipation Proclamation and during the Civil Rights Movement. 

You say you like to see families and define a family as mother, father and children.  This is not an accurate description of today's society.  Is a single mother and her children not a family?  Is a grandparent who is raising her grandchildren not family?  Is a single father and his children not family?  Why are only married heterosexuals considered families?

There is nothing to "justify" as you said, in regards to homosexuality as it is a perfectly normal occurance much like the different shade of brown within the black race.

How exactly did you come to the conclusion that a "medical reason" such as chromosones, skin pigmentation, sexual identity and other naturally occuring outcomes that are built into our DNA from birth are wrong and not natural?

Who said anything negative about heterosexuals?  Your entire post was negative against  the GLBT community as a whole but now you are inferring that I am being mean to heterosexuals? 

Ahhh.. you said you did not finish reading my previous post.  Am I hitting too close to home that you are unable to come up with a conclusive arguement to support your belief that rights should only be given to a select few?

You cannot strip the rights of others with out affecting all of society at some point.  This is a very interesting debate.

To your previous post that I did not see.

I believe that were are seeing less and less of traditional marriages because couples are rushing into relationships for the wrong reasons.  Then just as rapidly jump out when they hit the first few months, or years, after the first really bad argument, bad sex, or first child.   A guy has a wife but wants a girlfriend or two not realizing that if that is his/her truth that they were not ready for a committed relationship and should have stayed single.

I don't watch many sitcoms, I gave up after the Cosby Show went to re-runs.  I don't listen to mainstream music because I believe it lacks substance.  Most married couples don't have support groups like in the past, someone nearby to help with the pressure of parenting, financial strains etc.  Every great marriage has a good support system.  Along with the great communication.

I am sorry but if you are upset with your partner and you do not communicate your displeasure when it happens, you will never get that chance to fix the situation.  The same goes for the other partner, if you cannot realize that something is going south in your relationship and you do not take the time to listen to your partner and try to fix the situation then you should have never gotten involved. This goes for heterosexual and GLBT couples.   I guess I am old fashioned for being 31.  lol  This is one thing we can agree on, folks getting involved who are not ready for committment. 

I have Parental Control on my television set and a set TV timer I heavily employ.  My children watch only 4 hours of TV per day after homework is finished.  When the 4 hours is up, there are lots of nice books on our bookshelf.  My 2 year old can read about 60 words at the moment so we still have work to do. 

From what I can see of all society; a serious lack in parenting skills abounds.  I don't think GLBTs have any blame with the disappearance of traditional families.  I think it was that lack of parenting skills.  The men abandonded ship and the women did not want to risk stocking another ship for yet another unfruitful maiden voyage.

I’m Caribbean sometimes I write the way I talk.

Gays only make up less than 10% however, this small minority are the one running the court system, the media and so forth do you know what that does?.   

When I say imbalance am referring to the high rates of black confused men particularly in the Atlanta area. I’m I lying? Why are there are so many black homosexuals. One theory. No father figures. Also as a result of not having male figures growing up, most women tend to get involve with disrespectful men. No? Well than ask most of these younger females what’s up? Why are so many women single?

Regarding the church I’m not the type to be quoting scriptures from the bible to prove my point. But I will say this if someone is true and loves the Creator they would know that it is wrong to fall in love with someone of the same sex. We all have the ability to control who we fall in love with. Is it right for a son to fall in love with his mother on an intimate level? No. You see that’s the same thing with same loving gender. In life there a balance and limits. If one is sick, unbalanced the only thing that I can suggest is to get help or pray about it but if they still insist than that’s their business.

There are not only gays protesting right now.  The majority of whites, latinos, asians and youth approved of gay marriages. Because they don’t know any better.  The only singular group who overwhelmingly voted to ban the marriages were blacks. The only colors people think are showing right now are the black community. Is that a bad thing? Look I don’t know if you are male or female gay or lesbian but my main concern is to preserve the traditional family structure.  This is the second time that the people are voting to ban gay marriage.  The nation is shocked.  No they’re not See, they believed that the black community of all places would understand another group's struggle with inequality and discrimination. I think people should stop insulting and comparing blacks struggle to gay struggle. It’s not the same.

Not having to get a court order to see your dying partner of 49 years in the hospital because someone does not consider you family and their family has tossed them away.  That’s a different story and I do agree that they should have that right but one do not have to be married.  Unable to get health insurance benefits for your partner because you are not considered a spouse, unable to add a your partner to your life insurance policy, hate crime protections, the list goes on.   I’m not able to be added to my boyfriends insurance either. Grown men should not be whining about being added on to his lover’s insurance policy.  I know their gay but they are men first and there is something wrong with this picture. Two grown men should pay their own insurance policy, life insurance etc. Wait till gays start getting divorces. Who’s gong to determine who gets what. Who’s going to get the house? Do you realize how much problems that’s going to cause. What about lawsuits.

Just noticed this from one of your previous posts.

You said:

God would have created humans to have both sexes like in hermaphrodites but instead he created female and males. Everything in life has its purpose.

Well, he did create true hermaphrodites, male pseudohermaphrodites, female pseudohermaphrodites, otherwise known as intersexed, bi-sexual, homosexual and individuals with the following abnormalities: microphallus, diphallia, aphallia, and clitoral hypertrophy. 

By your standards each of the individuals above are abominations and should not have the right to marry based on your strict requirements of procreation ability and your assessment, and assignment, of external gender identity.