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Discussion started on  10/31/2008 02:45:59 PM  by  LuvPrincess
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Now the Pubs wanna worry about the U.S. taxpayers.

AP
Top Republican senators oppose automaker bailout
Sunday November 16, 2:07 pm ET
By Stephen Ohlemacher, Associated Press Writer 
Top Republican senators oppose automaker bailout, saying it would only postpone demise


WASHINGTON (AP) -- Top Republican senators said Sunday they will oppose a Democratic plan to bail out Detroit automakers, calling the U.S. industry a "dinosaur" whose "day of reckoning" is coming. Their opposition raises serious doubts about whether the plan will pass in this week's postelection session.
 
 
Democratic leaders want to use $25 billion of the $700 billion financial industry bailout to help General Motors Corp., Ford Motor Co. and Chrysler LLC.

Sens. Richard Shelby of Alabama and Jon Kyl of Arizona said it would be a mistake to use any of the Wall Street rescue money to prop up the automakers. They said an auto bailout would only postpone the industry's demise.

"Companies fail every day and others take their place. I think this is a road we should not go down," said Shelby, the senior Republican on the Senate Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs Committee.

"They're not building the right products," he said. "They've got good workers but I don't believe they've got good management. They don't innovate. They're a dinosaur in a sense."

Added Kyl, the Senate's second-ranking Republican: "Just giving them $25 billion doesn't change anything. It just puts off for six months or so the day of reckoning."

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said over the weekend that the House would provide aid to the ailing industry, though she did not put a price on her plan.

"The House is ready to do it," said Democratic Rep. Barney Frank of Massachusetts, chairman of the House Financial Services Committee. "There's no downside to trying."

But Democrats have only a narrow majority in the Senate and President George W. Bush opposes the idea. That raises the possibility that any help for automakers will have to wait until 2009, when Barack Obama takes office and the Democrats increase their majority in the Senate.

At least two Republican senators support an automaker bailout -- George Voinovich of Ohio and Kit Bond of Missouri. But if the Republicans are seen as neglecting an industry that inevitably collapses, they risk lasting political problems in Midwestern industrial states that can swing for either political party.

Obama won most of the manufacturing states in the presidential race, including Ohio, a perennial battleground, and Indiana, which had not voted for a Democrat for president since 1964. Obama easily won Michigan after Republican John McCain publicly pulled out weeks before Election Day.

Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich., said automakers are working to adapt to a changing consumer market, but they need immediate help to survive the nation's current economic crisis.

"This is not a Big Three problem alone," Levin said. "This current crisis is a crisis in the economy where there is no credit available to purchase, and where people are not buying cars because they are afraid."

The companies are lobbying lawmakers furiously for an emergency infusion of cash. GM has warned it might not survive through year's end without a government lifeline.

"It's not the General Motors we grew up with. It's a General Motors that is headed down this road to oblivion," said Shelby. "Should we intervene to slow it down, knowing it's going to happen? I say no, not for the American taxpayer."

Obama said he believes that aid is needed but that it should be provided as part of a long-term plan for a "sustainable U.S. auto industry" -- not simply as a blank check.

"For the auto industry to completely collapse would be a disaster in this kind of environment," Obama said in an interview on CBS's "60 Minutes" that was set to air Sunday night. "So my hope is that over the course of the next week, between the White House and Congress, the discussions are shaped around providing assistance but making sure that that assistance is conditioned on labor, management, suppliers, lenders, all of the stakeholders coming together with a plan -- what does a sustainable U.S. auto industry look like?"

Automakers say bankruptcy protection is not an option because people would be reluctant to make long-term car and truck purchases from companies that might not last the life of their vehicles. But lawmakers opposed to the bailout say Chapter 11 might be a better option than government loans and they cite the experience of airlines that have gone through the process of reorganization.

Shelby and Levin were interviewed on NBC's "Meet the Press" and Shelby also appeared with Frank on CBS' "Face the Nation." Kyl spoke on "Fox News Sunday."

 

See what they done started? Next it will be the credit cards companies.....smdh Governors Seek Bailout for Automakers By KATHY BARKS HOFFMAN , AP posted: 20 HOURS 9 MINUTES AGO comments: 191 filed under: Financial Crisis Print Share Text Size A A...

I agree.  As we are seeing with the bail out of AIG.  It is not working the way it was supposed to.  And neither will the GM bailout.  Bailing out GM is not going to make people buy their crap cars.  Toyota and Honda will continue to outsell GM.  And you see what happens when people come in to some money.  They don't go out and buy the top of the line GM car.  They go get a BMW or Mercedes.  People want quality; not crap!  And GM is crap.

chi_twn_diva

They wouldn't give us 40 acres and a mule so we took 50 states and the white house!  Go Obama!

 

Lets set the record str8 on this:

1.  The auto industry asked for the Iaccoca deal.  This was a loan that they would pay back over time.  That isnt a bailout like the banks and Wall street have gotten

2.  They asked for this even before the other institutions went belly up.

3.  The loan, not being granted will take the country into a depression.  Because, not only millions of auto workers would be out of work, but so will tens of millions parts maker.  As well as, the metal and plastic manufacturers

4.  This is really a defense issue.  If the Ruskies or Chinese get frisky, exactly where are the munitions and tanks going to come from?  Mexico?  Japan?  Indonesia?  China?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"...ultimately, the man you are sleeping with is a direct reflection of you character..."

"...You can lead a fool to knowledge, but you can not make them think....."

"Some women spend more time shopping at Nordstroms for the right thing to wear to the club, that they do trying to find a decent brother to be the father of their child..."


SAY NO TO MOOKIE!!!!!!!!!

What's the likely hood of giving them this "loan" and them changing their existing practices, and refocusing HOW and WHAT they build? Can conditions be put on a loan like this? I like the idea of giving them a loan versus what we did with the banks which paid for bonuses and retreats.

 

ferociously  ...... PANK!!!

3.  The loan, not being granted will take the country into a depression.  Because, not only millions of auto workers would be out of work, but so will tens of millions parts maker.  As well as, the metal and plastic manufacturers.

THANK YOU!!!!  That is what I trying to explain to some co-workers.  The auto industry is not like Wall Street.  Maybe I am biased because I grew up in the D. But the loss of jobs will be staggering.  And you know what?  These folks will show up at the unemployment office and on the welfare rolls.  So taxpayers will be responsible for these folks anyways.  Give the car companies the loan, impose some conditions on it (including realignment of retiree benefits), and keep these folks working.  This is not some AIG executive getting a 6 figure retention bonus with taxpayer money.  These are blue collar line workers and the entire support industry.

It is not the same thing!  Besides that, we have done it before.  Chrysler in 1979.   

I tend to agree with you and Kemetstry. Truth be told, I would feel more comfortable with the government helping out the auto industry as opposed to Wall Street. The Wall Street bailout to me was ineffective and was not executed well at all. I think with strict conditions and enforcement, not to mention a change in the way that the big 3 goes about producing cars - this may work out for them.

They already have changed their practices.

1.  Their quality is comparable to any Jap car.  American cars have swept the JD Powers awards the last 4-5 years. 

2.  By 2010, which is why they need the bridge loan, their costs will be equivalent.  They have cut several thousand dollars out of the overhead per car. 

So, buy american and save your won job next time

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"...ultimately, the man you are sleeping with is a direct reflection of you character..."

"...You can lead a fool to knowledge, but you can not make them think....."

"Some women spend more time shopping at Nordstroms for the right thing to wear to the club, that they do trying to find a decent brother to be the father of their child..."


SAY NO TO MOOKIE!!!!!!!!!

If Chrsler or GM goes bellyup, tell your coworkers they will be unemployed within weeks later.  Hospitals are shutting down here now.  They never thought they would be out of work

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"...ultimately, the man you are sleeping with is a direct reflection of you character..."

"...You can lead a fool to knowledge, but you can not make them think....."

"Some women spend more time shopping at Nordstroms for the right thing to wear to the club, that they do trying to find a decent brother to be the father of their child..."


SAY NO TO MOOKIE!!!!!!!!!

Wall Street was little more than dumping gold down a black hole

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"...ultimately, the man you are sleeping with is a direct reflection of you character..."

"...You can lead a fool to knowledge, but you can not make them think....."

"Some women spend more time shopping at Nordstroms for the right thing to wear to the club, that they do trying to find a decent brother to be the father of their child..."


SAY NO TO MOOKIE!!!!!!!!!

LOL, my thoughts exactly.

 

If Chrsler or GM goes bellyup, tell your coworkers they will be unemployed within weeks later.  Hospitals are shutting down here now.  They never thought they would be out of work

I live in Fairfax, VA and work as a teacher. Next year, they are looking at cutting up to 775 positions. I always was told that education was safe. Luckily for me, I heard that most of it will be taken care of with people retiring.

Today.  You let a bunch of manufacturing jobs go belly up next year

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"...ultimately, the man you are sleeping with is a direct reflection of you character..."

"...You can lead a fool to knowledge, but you can not make them think....."

"Some women spend more time shopping at Nordstroms for the right thing to wear to the club, that they do trying to find a decent brother to be the father of their child..."


SAY NO TO MOOKIE!!!!!!!!!

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