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Discussion started on  01/17/2008 10:27:44 AM  by  3rdworldorder
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  • Date: 01/17/2008 10:27:44 AM
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Please read the article before making an opinion. God I love this man Rev wright is a good man i had the pleasure to attend his church and everything the white press say is lies. they spoke politics a tad to much for my tastes but is an extremely positive church.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nation/politics/bal-te.preacher16jan16,0,570668,full.story

Obama's spiritual mentor

Powerhouse Chicago preacher draws attention, and plenty of controversy

By Michael Hill | Sun Reporter
January 16, 2008

CHICAGO

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The packed house at Trinity United - some 3,000 in all - had been in the pews for almost two hours, energized by a 200-voice choir and a rousing dance performance Sunday, when the Rev. Jeremiah Wright stepped up to speak.

Wright is well-known in Chicago and in the black church world for taking over a small United Church of Christ congregation in 1972 and turning it into an 8,000-member powerhouse. More recently, his name has become familiar as the longtime spiritual mentor of Barack Obama, who joined the church in 1988 - a move Obama says was important to shaping his identity as an African-American.

The connection has thrown a spotlight on some of Wright's more controversial remarks in a church that advertises itself as "unashamedly Black and unapologetically Christian" - at times espousing a black liberation theology that can sound as exclusionary as Obama's message is inclusionary. He has also equated Zionism with racism.

On Sunday morning - amid intensified crossfire between Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton and Obama over the use of race in the Democratic presidential campaign - Wright was preaching from the Gospel of John, using his powerful style to link the story of the loaves and fishes to a contemporary political message.

Man should not put limits on what God can do, but that's what people always do, he told the crowd. Just as God made five loaves and two fishes feed thousands, God has provided liberators for blacks in the past - from Nat Turner to the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr., and now Barack Obama. But, Wright said, there were always reasons not to follow them.

Some argue that blacks should vote for Clinton "because her husband was good to us," he continued.

"That's not true," he thundered. "He did the same thing to us that he did to Monica Lewinsky."

Many in the crowd were on their feet, applauding - amazed, amused and moved by the fiery rhetoric of their preacher, who is about to retire.

It is just such rhetoric that has made Wright's remarks an occasional staple on conservative talk shows. They often make the rounds in anti-Obama e-mail.

On occasion, the Illinois senator has distanced himself from Wright. In the past, the campaign has issued statements saying that Obama does not agree with all of Wright's comments. An invitation to Wright to give the invocation at Obama's announcement of his presidential candidacy last year was rescinded at the last moment, reportedly to keep the spotlight on Obama and not on Wright.

Just yesterday, Washington Post columnist Richard Cohen noted that a magazine associated with Trinity United once named Louis Farrakhan as its person of the year, praising the Nation of Islam leader. Cohen called on Obama to denounce such praise of Farrakhan, known for statements deemed anti-Semitic.

In a statement released by his campaign last night, Obama responded to questions about Wright's comments on Sunday.

"As I've told Reverend Wright, personal attacks such as this have no place in this campaign or our politics, whether they're offered from a platform at a rally or the pulpit of a church," he said. "I don't think of the pastor of my church in political terms.

"Like a member of my own family, there are things he says at times with which I deeply disagree," he said. "But as he prepares to retire, that doesn't detract from my affection for Reverend Wright or appreciation for the good works he has done."

As in the past, Obama did not completely denounce Wright. The candidate's 1995 book Dreams From My Father depicts Obama's decision to join Trinity United as a fundamental step in affirming his identity as an African-American. Obama's mother was white, he was raised in large part by her parents and he spent much of his youth in Indonesia with his mother's second husband. He only met his father, a Kenyan, once.

Obama took the title of his more recent book, The Audacity of Hope, from the first sermon he heard preached by Wright, whom Obama met while working in Chicago as a community organizer.

In Dreams from My Father, Obama wrote of his reaction on hearing that sermon in 1988: "In that single note - hope! - I heard something else: At the foot of that cross, inside the thousands of churches across the city, I imagined the stories of ordinary black people merging with the stories of David and Goliath, Moses and the Pharaoh, the Ch
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  • Date: 01/17/2008 10:34:45 AM
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This is what upset white people  and the white press most about trinity church and the reason the call it racist.

http://www.tucc.org/about.htm

Mission statement

We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian... Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an African people, and remain "true to our native land," the mother continent, the cradle of civilization. God has superintended our pilgrimage through the days of slavery, the days of segregation, and the long night of racism. It is God who gives us the strength and courage to continuously address injustice as a people, and as a congregation. We constantly affirm our trust in God through cultural expression of a Black worship service and ministries which address the Black Community.

The Pastor as well as the membership of Trinity United Church of Christ is committed to a 10-point Vision:

  1. A congregation committed to ADORATION.
  2. A congregation preaching SALVATION.
  3. A congregation actively seeking RECONCILIATION.
  4. A congregation with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO AFRICA.
  5. A congregation committed to BIBLICAL EDUCATION.
  6. A congregation committed to CULTURAL EDUCATION.
  7. A congregation committed to the HISTORICAL EDUCATION OF AFRICAN PEOPLE IN DIASPORA.
  8. A congregation committed to LIBERATION.
  9. A congregation committed to RESTORATION.
  10. A congregation working towards ECONOMIC PARITY.
  • Date: 01/17/2008 11:31:56 AM
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  • Date: 01/17/2008 11:45:33 AM
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For a couple or 3 years I watched the Good reverend every Sunday morning at 7:30 a.m. Never missed a single one, because I liked the way he preaches( like a Southern Baptist), and he was constantly dogging Bush and crew. BUT...when I learned that Obama goes to that church, I stopped watching, and will never watch his sermons again. Not ever.
  • Date: 01/17/2008 11:58:44 AM
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I have the utmost respect for Reverend Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr. I have read several of his books BEFORE I knew who Obama was years ago. I agree with his assessment of Billery.

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Edited by befree1619 on January 17, 2008 12:00:23 PM
  • Date: 01/17/2008 12:00:01 PM
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For a couple or 3 years I watched the Good reverend every Sunday morning at 7:30 a.m. Never missed a single one, because I liked the way he preaches( like a Southern Baptist), and he was constantly dogging Bush and crew. BUT...when I learned that Obama goes to that church, I stopped watching, and will never watch his sermons again. Not ever.

Wow , Ok your hate for Obama is personal and has a deeper source than you dont agree with his politics . It was rev wright that gave obama most of his views on helping black people and helping GL. so i dont understand you hate.

You dont like him cause he part-african and Not african-american?

  • Date: 01/17/2008 12:22:35 PM
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I find it odd that whites seem to be at odds w/ blacks who they perceive as racist but it is these so called racist leaders that give black folks  guidance that helps them avoid the same pitfalls the white people complain that we do like OOW birth, welfare, crime,drugs etc.  Blacks go to them for personal reasons, not about white people. 

They only like the leaders who make them feel go about themselves and when it really  about us and no one asked for their opinion. Jesse Jackson begging you for money doesn't give black people guidance.

  • Date: 01/17/2008 12:35:33 PM
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They still fear that words "Black Power" 30 yr later. They view all black churchs racist if they view this church racist.
  • Date: 01/17/2008 12:54:44 PM
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I agree with his assessment of Billery.

Agreed but don't tell supporters of Hillary that. It seems when blacks promote responsibilty it's a problem. Take for example Sean Hannity, I swear he is on Barack like white on rice. I am like dude accept the fact he does not like you and stop trying to start mess. He doesn't want to talk to you nor deal with you. Also don't bring Jermeiah's church into the situation as being racist, I am like dude do you want to know what the most segegrated day of the week is ?Sunday so don't even try and trip on Wright and company and he gets my full respect.

Edited by gilcrease11 on January 17, 2008 01:08:17 PM
  • Date: 01/17/2008 01:03:31 PM
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I find it odd that whites seem to be at odds w/ blacks who they perceive as racist but it is these so called racist leaders that give black folks  guidance that helps them avoid the same pitfalls the white people complain that we do like OOW birth, welfare, crime,drugs etc.  Blacks go to them for personal reasons, not about white people. 

They only like the leaders who make them feel go about themselves and when it really  about us and no one asked for their opinion. Jesse Jackson begging you for money doesn't give black people guidance.

 

It's white supremacy...and it affects Blacks as well as whites.  They do not want to see Black people getting their strength and crediting other Black people for their success! 

  • Date: 01/17/2008 04:10:03 PM
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I have the utmost respect for Reverend Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr

I agree this is why i have faith in obama cause he recieved alot of his views on helping people from rev wright. But ill tell you this , if he does a judas on rev wright then person he admits help shape his life and views. Than i will agree with that he will sell us down river. But i have faith in his wife cause i heard his wife loves this church even more than him.

  • Date: 01/17/2008 04:22:17 PM
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are you a member of trinity??

i found them surfing on the net more than a year ago.

what an amazing organization he has helped build.

i even pondered moving to chicago  due to this church.

i'm not even christian!!

lmao

 

  • Date: 01/17/2008 04:22:47 PM
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It's white supremacy...

this issue with obama church has everything to do with white supremacy and nothing to do with what the church actually believes. tell me want is racist or separatist about this

How is this Racist please tell me:

from trinity website

Dr. Wright’s talking points (3.1.7) for Trinity United Church of Christ its Web site and the Black Value System (in response to Erik Rush’s comments (2.28.07) on the Hannity and Colmes show):

• One of the biggest gaps in knowledge that causes the kind of ignorance that you hear spouted by this man [Erik Rush] and those like him, has to do with the fact that these persons are completely ignorant when it comes to the Black religious tradition. The vision statement of Trinity United Church of Christ is based upon the systematized liberation theology that started in 1969 with the publication of Dr. James Cone’s book, Black Power and Black Theology.

• Black theology is one of the many theologies in the Americas that became popular during the liberation theology movement. They include Hispanic theology, Native American theology, Asian theology and Womanist theology.

• I use the word “systematized” because Black liberation theology was in existence long before Dr. Cone’s book. It originates in the days of the Trans-Atlantic slave trade. It was systematized and published by theologians, Old Testament scholars, New Testament scholars, ethicists, church historians, and historians of religion such as Dr. James Cone, Dr. Cain Hope Felder, Dr. Gayraud Wilmore, Dr. Jacqueline Grant, Dr. Kelley Brown Douglas, Dr. Renita Weems, Dr. Katie Cannon, Dr. Dwight Hopkins, Dr. Linda Thomas, and Dr. Randall Bailey.

• These scholars, who write in various disciplines, also include seminary presidents like Dr. John Kinney and professors of Hebrew Bible, like Dr. Jerome Ross. Black liberation theology defines Africans and African Americans as subjects – not the objects which colonizers and oppressors have consistently defined “others” as.

• We [African Americans] were always seen as objects. When we started defining ourselves, it scared those who try to control others by naming them and defining them for them; Oppressors do not like “others” defining themselves.

• To have a church whose theological perspective starts from the vantage point of Black liberation theology being its center, is not to say that African or African American people are superior to any one else.

• African-centered thought, unlike Eurocentrism, does not assume superiority and look at everyone else as being inferior.

• There is more than one center from which to view the world. In the words of Dr. Janice Hale, “Difference does not mean deficience.” It is from this vantage point that Black liberation theology speaks.

• Systematized Black liberation theology is 40 years old. Scholars of African and African American religious history show that Black liberation theology, however, has been in existence for 400 years. It is found in the songs, the sermons, the testimonies and the oral literature of Africans throughout the Diaspora

  • Date: 01/17/2008 04:29:57 PM
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are you a member of trinity??i found them surfing on the net more than a year ago.what an amazing organization he has helped build.i even pondered moving to chicago  due to this church.i'm not even christian!!lmao

Not an official member, but the way i been  defending them i should be lol

Nah i visted for the first time in early 2006( my girl is from chi) and it was an extremely positive and progressive church. Now rev wright does like to talk politics but he was very welcoming to everybody no matter want color. it was refreashing to walk into a church and see pictures of black angels or a black moses. He was very welcoming to gays and lesibians, he helped the community. it had a huge young crowd. what more can you ask?

But now they want to label it racist, Why cause it not ashamed of being black and proud of it? this issue has nothing to do with obama, the rev or the church it has everything to do with white supremacy.

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i totally agree. trinity is an example of Blacks coming into consciousness.

the church is heavily involved in social justice.

Many people see Jesus as a revolutionary figure that worked to change the world for the better. alot of churches are into social justice.

Not allowing themselves to view Jesus as a meek turn the other cheek type of person.

 

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i was read something to the effect that in the most evil place the greatest good comes forth.

I find it very interesting that Chicago seen to be one of the most racist cities in the US has the most progressive chusrch i have ever seen.

 

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Jesse Jackson begging you for money doesn't give black people guidance.
Please tell me.  Why is Jesse and/or Al dragged into everything. 
  • Date: 01/17/2008 05:32:21 PM
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if he does a judas on rev wright then person he admits help shape his life and views.

I don't see a judas.  I see a man saying, just like family, he does not agree with everything his pastor says.   Also that he keeps politics and his pastor seperate.
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Didn't mean to imply that Dr. Wright was supporting white supremacy....I meant those in oppossition to his position is because of white supremacy.  When Blacks are crediting white people for success and supporting that white supremist version of history they don't like it.

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Please tell me.  Why is Jesse and/or Al dragged into everything. 

Because they are the media's racism ambulance crew, someone should ask them why they feel the need to comment on everything. Why is Sharpton bothering to comment of the Tiger Woods/lynch situation, Tiger said he wasn't offended. Those two always find their way of Fox and CNN and I don't think they mind being dragged into everything if they can get on TV

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