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Is Obama The End of Black Politics?

Posted Aug 8th 2008 10:00AM by Carmen Dixon
Filed under: BlackSpin, Elections, Barack Obama, Corey Booker


On Sunday the New York Times Magazine asks a provocative question, "Is Obama the end of Black Politics?"

The article examines old guard black political incumbents, shaped by sharp experiences of racism, who built their political agendas around racial identity and the "new wave" of younger black politicos who strive to be seen as statesmen in a color neutral context. Mayor Michael Nutter of Philadelphia and Governor Deval Patrick of Massachusetts offer particularly revealing insights into what the "move past race" actually looks like in the mind's eye of a young black politician.

I asked Nutter if, during his private conversations with Obama early in the campaign, the subject of race and the historic nature of his candidacy came up. He stared at me for a moment. "Um, I knew he was black," he said finally. "I'd really kind of picked up on that."
It goes on:
Later, when I mentioned that it could be hard for a white journalist to understand all of the nuances of race, he looked over at his press secretary, who is black, and interrupted me. "He's not black?" Nutter deadpanned, motioning back at me. "You guys told me it was a skin condition. I thought I was talking to a brother." Nutter is known to have a dry sense of humor, but I also had the sense that he was tweaking me in these moments, watching with some amusement as I tried to navigate subjects that white and black Americans rarely discuss together. He seemed to think I was oddly preoccupied with race.
I was sorry to see that this article focuses primarily on black male politicos. Where are the women who out number black men on the national level political scene right now?

Another thing to keep in mind is that the NYT article appears just as another discussion about the implications of Obama's campaign and possible Presidency is gaining volume. Some are concerned that the rise of Obama will be used to undercut any arguments about the still pervasive presence and effects of racism in America.


From Tyler over at 'Whatever Crosses My Mind':
I don't think it's overwrought or hysterical to fear the faction of Obama supporters who truly believe that an Obama win wipes the racial slate clean. I think we don't talk enough about what that means or could mean.
What do you think? Would an Obama presidency wipe the racial slate clean? Should it?


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1. No I do not think it will wipe the racial slate clean nor do I expect it too. In my opion the slate will be wiped clean when most of us senior (60 and over) die out thing will be a lot better. The younger generation does not see color like many of the older generation does. They live and let live, most want a better world and they are intellengent enough to know, that only comes when everyone is treated equal.

Mandy at 10:17PM on Aug 8th 2008

2. No I do not think racial slate will be wiped clean and no I do not expect it to. I think racisim is embedded deeply in the nature of many people, I also think when my age group (60 and over) die out it will be a much better world as far as race is concerned. Younger people seems not to see color as much as the older generation do.

Mandy at 12:49PM on Aug 9th 2008

3. I don't think it will wipe the slate clean at ALL!!! In fact what will probably happen, whether he wins or lose, is the racial divide will grow larger. With Obama, whites can erase all programs geared toward Blacks(Affirmative Action, etc), further increase the prison population and death penalty for Blacks, etc because they will forever more be able to say they are NOT racist as a Black man won the presidency of the U.S. Whites ALWAYS pull one or two Blacks out of the barral to "show" they are not racist.

zroiand at 1:40PM on Aug 9th 2008

4. I've noticed all the articles posted by Carmen Dixon have a black racist spin to them. So sad.
There's very few folks that are not of mixed race these days, so Carmen you really should start looking beyond skin color and stop being so superficial.

Q at 1:50PM on Aug 9th 2008

5. i personally do not think is a matter of wiping anything clean, but one thing is certain time heals all wounds and i am proud to see the U. S. move ahead with her greatness as outlined by the Founding Fathers.i also think people in the U. S. r tired of being precieved as those who do not care for one another.

robert ingram at 9:24PM on Aug 9th 2008

6. There may be some changes in our politics. For the ones that are so race conscious that they miss out on the real agenda. What I want to see is an end to the disproportioned incarceration of black males, clean up of our neighborhoods, equal incomes and education and so much more. This is the agenda. I am not trying to get some racially sanitized approach to the problem; I would like to see all people angry at the current situations. I remember when we were so black that a Caucasian person could get attacked by us as they were attempting to stand against racism. This fight involves the whole family, we can identify it as black or African-American, but it is the results that are more important. Intelligently, Obama has avoided the type of presidential race that would make him primarily a representative of only one segment of this nation. Those that want him to lose, white and black, are doing their best to make him change this winning strategy. My Grandfather would cry out, “Like crabs in bucket, if we see one of us going up, we try to bring him down!” Not everybody wants change, it’s scary, it’s a venture into uncharted territory. Can we maintain our agenda and have an inside voice in the White House? Can we include our historical leaders in this future? Yes we can!!!
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Vernon Martin at 9:40PM on Aug 9th 2008

7. A more pertinent question is :Why is such even being
considered? Why are WE--as African-Americans--expect-
ed to be the ones to erase "the racial slate"?It isn't
WE who created this ARTIFICIALITY of BEING based upon
so-called "skin color".
The very first "racial slur" to be erased should be
the one where CAUCASIANS define or refer to themselv-
es as "white",generally speaking,& as "JEWS",in parti
cular,as opposed to "CAUCASIAN".
There's NO such ACTUAL reality as a "white person".It
is ALL perceptual,affectual,intellectual,& conceptual
in nature based upon an ideology of "superiority" re-
lative to ALL other People on The Planet that's a LIE!
The onus is upon The Liar to give up the Lie that he
has propagated as a truth.The Mass-Mind tends to be a captive mind confined to perceptions,affections,& con
ceptions that perpetuate The Pretty Lie as opposed to
The Ugly Truth.
Who would insist upon being defined as a "color" who
REALLY knows "RACE" is the ROOT cause of "RACIST IDEO-
LOGY"?
I mean,just how "educated" is an individual who is con
ceptually-confined or intellectually-imprisoned to the
IDEA of "color" as the most DEFINTIVE aspect,trait, identity,or characteristic of THEIR "Human Being"?
So,why are PEOPLE so-called "black,brown,red,yellow, or,white"?What is a "non-hispanic black" or "hispanic
white"?What is a RACIAL "other"?
The delusional push to "un-hyphenate" Americans is ano
ther "racist" ploy to DENY their CAUCASUS MOUNTAINS origins,which is only some 6,000 yrs.old & representa-
tive of their recent appearance upon The Planet as an
EVOLVING into "CIVILIZED" status,even BEFORE there can be one into "SPIRITUALIZED" status.
Oh well,THE UGLY TRUTH "IS" even if it's being effec-
tively supplanted in The Mass-Mind by THE PRETTY LIE!

Will at 11:32PM on Aug 9th 2008

8. Sometimes when you have been ripped off the best thing to do is move on. We can't expect someone who has deceived us constantly in the past to somehow be honest. Instead, we should be preparing ourselves in dealing with the likes of that person.

Racism is still alive and well, but it isn't so blatant in most cases. During the civil rights generation there was a certain preparation in fighting the bigotry of that era. We need preparation in fighting the more subtile racism in todays era.

This is the age old battle of Education vs. ignorance. It is our job to educate and remind people of the effects of "Birth of a Nation", and all the present-day equivalents. We will have to continue to present facts (unequal conviction rates, doctors less likely to prescribe painkillers, redlining,etc..) about the defacto affirmative action that still exists today.

The modern post civil rights (don't consider them black) politicians have their place in our communities just like the Al Sharptons and co. Who's to blame them for taking advantage of oppurtunies. Our hip-hoppers have made millions rich except for their own people, and they still don't accept to be role models.

Muadi at 3:30PM on Aug 10th 2008

9. No I don't think so what I do think as long as America has not apologized for her part of slavery in merican this country will not heal.Because the hate they practice of long ago continues in the work force and most of all the Justice System. Which makes it impossible to move on and to heal.My question is why was the following men in our history books?
1. Lewis Latimer that created filament electric light
2.Benjamin Banneker created the clock
3.Daniel Hale Williams did the first open heart surgery.
4.Jan Matzeliger created soles of shoes.
5.Garrett Morgan designed the traffic light.
The list goes on and on don't you think that the history books should tell the history of us all in this country.

Marie at 8:23PM on Aug 10th 2008

10. #6. Very nice post!

Q at 10:35PM on Aug 10th 2008

11. The slate will not ever be wiped completely clean. Obama my win but content of character and readiness for the job are what Martin Luther King, others, and myself hoped we would vote for in choosing the candidate for president of this wonderful country. I am afraid too many (whites and blacks)are voting color, party, gender, age. Instead, we should think about who has the character, is the most experienced, and is the most ready to handle the situations at hand--education, war, economic crisis, health, crime.

eadf at 8:54AM on Aug 11th 2008

12. Brack Obama as a so called black man(which he is no more a black than is his WHITE GRANDMOTHER)can never wipe the racial slate clean.He denyes his white hertiage,and in so doing he is dirtering the slate himself.Unless he admits who he really is himself he will as he already has divided this nation.It is a fact,there has been more racial bitternes among people,especially among blacks themselves since BO has been running for president.Case in point;Jesse Jackson remarks about his so called"black brother."Honesty is at the core of this election,and if any person can't be honest about who is,when it is very clear conserning his race,how can he clean the slate.


Jennings at 11:32AM on Aug 11th 2008

13. I think that the slate will not be wiped clean. The notion that it will be erased speaks to a level of ignorance amongst certain segments of whites and blacks. This creates a false sense of eutopia in people who do not want to deal with real issues. We will continue to be a nation that oppresses people for color and if not for color then for class and you can go on and on it is the price that one pays for living in a capitalistic society. I believe that it is healthy for us to understand that we are very different as people but the same as humans. Hopefully there will be a time that we can find a state equlibrium between the two and stop the opression and racism that occurs. This will definetly start with the younger generations. I am a member of generation X and I have seen improvements made but not nearly enough. Racism has taken on a new face that is not as blatant it has become very educated. Carmen keep doing your thing color is not superficial it is very real.

lightnthadark at 6:57PM on Aug 11th 2008

14. Interesting article. I suggest you read it just to get a perspective on Obama and the generational gap he's part of in his quest for the Presidency.

His Obama the end of Black politics?

No.

He's the new generation of Black politics. Black politics will evolve and has evolved with Obama being the pinnicle of the change right now. Nonetheless the issues in the Black community will stay the same until we have them dealt with and some of free and equal "level playing field" is established.

What we're seeing now, as the story talks about , it the older generation dealing with the new black politics. The new generation wasnt forged in the Civil Rights of the older group and is really a byproduct of the older group. There wil lcome a time where this generation will eb the older generation and Black politics will continue to evolve. It's just the way things happen.

LJ at 12:07AM on Aug 12th 2008

15. Marie, I like your post. I've wondered too why more African Americans are not documented in history for accomplishments. As long as members of the human race, of all colors, do not discuss openly the concerns that confront them ... how is ANYONE going to get past the "problem" of race? How, without communication. Folks need to talk openly, across those artifical barriers we've erected between ourselves ...

Lynn in New Orleans

Lynn at 12:08AM on Aug 12th 2008

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